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Posted by awbennett on 01-14-2011 11:53 PM:

coming off tree

what is the rule for dog coming off tree?

Posted by dixiewalker1 on 01-15-2011 01:03 AM:

fine as long as it stays under the canapey of that tree if out from under it scratched

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Posted by jamie stall on 01-15-2011 01:31 AM:

better not have its nose on the ground

Posted by ukc_hunter on 01-15-2011 01:32 AM:

It can meet you off the tree as long as it turns and goes back and don't put its nose to the ground or barks if it does it is minused not scratched

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Posted by roughcreek on 01-15-2011 01:35 AM:

rule dont say nothing about no canopy of no tree !!

Posted by awbennett on 01-15-2011 01:59 AM:

what rule says that dog will be minused if off tree, say 12 are 15 feet and puts it nose to ground. not all dogs are belly on wood dogs.

Posted by pigsit on 01-15-2011 03:18 PM:

Judges decision, if judge feels you dog is off the tree, you're minused. Tom

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Posted by jabrown on 01-15-2011 03:48 PM:

This thread has the great makings of a 5 page arguement. Here are the facts:

*There is nothing in the rules that states anything about "canopy of the tree"
*There is also nothing in the rules about dogs "putting their nose on the ground"
*The rules do state that a " Dog should not be minused tree points if he comes back a short distance to meet handler if dog goes back in and trees satisfactorily. Judge should be informed of such peculiarities before hunt." Under rule 17.
*This is purely a judges decision and there are no guidelines for how far a dog can come off the tree.
*If the judge decides that your dog came off the tree, he is minused not scratched, Rule 4(c).

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Posted by Lee Currens Jr. on 01-15-2011 03:55 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by jabrown
This thread has the great makings of a 5 page arguement. Here are the facts:

*There is nothing in the rules that states anything about "canopy of the tree"
*There is also nothing in the rules about dogs "putting their nose on the ground"
*The rules do state the a " Dog should not be minused tree points if he comes back a short distance to meet handler if dog goes back in and trees satisfactorily. Judge should be informed of such peculiarities before hunt." Under rule 17.
*This is purely a judges decision and there are no guidelines for how far a dog can come off the tree.
*If the judge decides that your dog came off the tree, he is minused not scratched, Rule 4(c).

if dog is off the tree - if it declared treed thats where it should
be know judges decision it either on or off

Posted by jabrown on 01-15-2011 03:57 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by blueticking: it
if dog is off the tree - if it declared treed thats where it should
be know judges decision it either on or off

Who decides whether it's off or on?

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Posted by Double M Kennels on 01-15-2011 04:01 PM:

jabrown
your right everyone should learn the rules instead of adding to them to benafit them selves..

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Posted by Lee Currens Jr. on 01-15-2011 04:04 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by jabrown
Who decides whether it's off or on?

i would thank the handler should have enough guts
to call it if we are trying to breed better dogs

Posted by Double M Kennels on 01-15-2011 04:09 PM:

in this case i say put your money on the table and fight it .... go to the ukc and they will rule with you ........... theres no need to fight and argue.
money talks bulls&&t walks....

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Posted by Hoosier Man1 on 01-15-2011 04:14 PM:

No canopy of the tree and no rule against a dogs nose on the ground. It comes down to honesty. This is the best way to handle this.

Say Dog A was told to meet off the tree. As the judge tell all cast members to follow behind you and as you proceed to the tree and see the dog coming to meet his handler STOP right there and make the dog show the tree it was on. It's as simple as that. If it does handle it! If it doesn't minus it then back away fom th dog.

Posted by GA DAWG on 01-15-2011 04:14 PM:

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Originally posted by pigsit
Judges decision, if judge feels you dog is off the tree, you're minused. Tom

Yep your right..As a judge I dont have much tolerance for it either..Better break that dog before entering night hunts cause I'm going to minus it..Its ok though..You can can put it to a cast vote. More times than not the cast is going to vote with the judge on a dog thats loose at the tree!

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Posted by Hoosier Man1 on 01-15-2011 04:18 PM:

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Originally posted by GA DAWG
Yep your right..As a judge I dont have much tolerance for it either..Better break that dog before entering night hunts cause I'm going to minus it..Its ok though..You can can put it to a cast vote. More times than not the cast is going to vote with the judge on a dog thats loose at the tree!

So you already have it implanted in you're mind that you're going to minus the dog WHEN IN BLACK AND WHITE IT SAYS IT'S EXCEPTABLE? Hey UKC don't let this obvious rule breaker judge he clearly is going to base his judging on his own beliefs as to what a dog should and shouldnt do.

Posted by Double M Kennels on 01-15-2011 04:27 PM:

after the cast vote go to master of hounds then file a complaint to the ukc

that is the problem with the sport people make the rules fit them selves instead of learning them and following them..

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Posted by JiM on 01-15-2011 05:19 PM:

Re: coming off tree

quote:
Originally posted by awbennett
what is the rule for dog coming off tree?

Exactly what do you mean by "coming off the tree"?
We gotta know alot more than just "coming off the tree". Do you mean the dog came off to meet and greet you? No problem as long as the dog goes back to the tree and trees satisfactorily after it greets you.
Did the dog come off the tree and not come to it's handler? Because while the rule allows the meet and greet, it most certainly DOES NOT allow a dog to be loose at the tree. Did the dog come off and leave the tree?
Dogs are allowed to meet and greet if they go right back but if they are not showing to be treed when the judge arrives, they should be minused tree points. So yes, judgement is required to make the call.

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Posted by GA DAWG on 01-15-2011 05:23 PM:

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Originally posted by Hoosier Man1
So you already have it implanted in you're mind that you're going to minus the dog WHEN IN BLACK AND WHITE IT SAYS IT'S EXCEPTABLE? Hey UKC don't let this obvious rule breaker judge he clearly is going to base his judging on his own beliefs as to what a dog should and shouldnt do.

Its a simple fix..Either fix or dont whine and cry when you get minused for it..

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Posted by JiM on 01-15-2011 05:25 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by GA DAWG
Its a simple fix..Either fix or dont whine and cry when you get minused for it..

That's prolly the best answer.

Posted by Hoosier Man1 on 01-15-2011 05:28 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by GA DAWG
Its a simple fix..Either fix or dont whine and cry when you get minused for it..

Or you could just follow what the rule says. Greeting is allowed bud, weather you agree with it or not. While belly up tree dogs are ideal not everyone has one. Sure you can minus a dog everytime it greets and goes right back to the tree, same as you can circle obvious slick trees, plus stars, screw beginner hunters, the sky is the limit when honesty and integrity are throw out.

Posted by GA DAWG on 01-15-2011 05:45 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Hoosier Man1
Or you could just follow what the rule says. Greeting is allowed bud, weather you agree with it or not. While belly up tree dogs are ideal not everyone has one. Sure you can minus a dog everytime it greets and goes right back to the tree, same as you can circle obvious slick trees, plus stars, screw beginner hunters, the sky is the limit when honesty and integrity are throw out.

I dont have a problem with one greeting..I'm not however gonna let one slide if it meets 75 yards off a tree or anything..Thats why in my first post I put judges descretion..

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Posted by bd2440 on 01-15-2011 08:37 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by dixiewalker1
fine as long as it stays under the canapey of that tree if out from under it scratched

where does it say this in the rules. i dont care if the dog is 2 feet off the tree if its nose hits the ground its trailing so minus it and you can only allow so far on it meetin the handler before its a minus. the dog meeting a handler has alot of gray area to it.

Posted by jamie stall on 01-15-2011 09:02 PM:

If that dog comes off the tree and acts like it is trying to smell around you bet your ass im going to minus it....

Posted by Chiggers on 01-15-2011 09:21 PM:

The way I uderstand it, A dog can meet you a short distance at the tree as long as that dog is losing the cast, at the determined point that the dog is winning, or in danger of winning the cast, the dog will be at said time, Minused.

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