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Posted by Country AintBad on 08-11-2010 04:49 PM:

Giving dogs powerade or gatorade?

will it hurt em any? or is it ok? my dogs love it. just was making sure it'd be ok. any response is greatly appreciated.

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Posted by on 08-11-2010 04:53 PM:

I have heard it is better for them than water but I tried it just week and mine won't touch it.

Posted by Buckshot on 08-11-2010 04:58 PM:

Tell you what is better in my opinion..............Pedialyte.

Posted by oklared on 08-11-2010 05:41 PM:

Gatoraid is fine, you cant mix it very strong, play with the mix till you find what they will drink, pedialite is ok if dehydrated, but gatoraid puts minerals and vits in just like in people.

Posted by Bluedogman on 08-11-2010 05:44 PM:

Sure outa put back all the salts they slober out! Other than that good ole water should do fine if you happen to have a jug of that on hand.

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Posted by Seminole on 08-11-2010 06:26 PM:

Agree with buckshot pedialyte is the best, gatorade has too much sugar in it.

Posted by Cleo on 08-11-2010 06:47 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Seminole
Agree with buckshot pedialyte is the best, gatorade has too much sugar in it.

I have been told that from my vet. TOOO much stuff in it the even people don't need~unless you are a HEAVY athlete.

My guys work in the HEAT all day and were all told "1 gatoraid a day is all they need....everything else should be water"

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Posted by delta nightlife on 08-11-2010 06:58 PM:

my dogs will not touch it they will turn there noses up at it

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Posted by Larry Atherton on 08-11-2010 07:16 PM:

Pedialite and gatorade are designed to replace electrolytes that are lost through sweating, vomitting, and/or diarrhea.

Dogs are not prone to lose of electrolites by sweating. They do not sweat.

As far as it doing any damage I have not heard of any. Fact is in mammalian bodies if a critter is thristy it is best given water. It is the lack of water that creates thrist.

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Posted by Bluedogman on 08-11-2010 07:19 PM:

Now we are gettin to the nitty gritty of it!

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Posted by Larry Atherton on 08-11-2010 08:24 PM:

Here is something else I just found.

"Also stay away from drinks with simple sugars in it. The dogs body will send water to the gut to mobilize the sugar thereby dehydrating the dogs muscles."

In addition I also found information saying to stay away from giving dogs any salts (electrolytes). Salts are not easily lost in many mammals including dogs.

There are several products on-line marketed to canine athletes, but all are very pricy and their ingredients are questionable.

First and foremost make sure your dog is in top physical condition. This one simple thing will mean more than anything else in maintaining dog health during summer months. Next have good clean water. You don't need to have cold water!

I usually have drinking water and water I wipe the dog down with in areas that blood flow are close to the skin such as inside the legs and under the ears.

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Posted by Bluedogman on 08-11-2010 08:28 PM:

Love the way you come in and put the facts up for us Larry!

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Posted by Maniac on 08-11-2010 08:31 PM:

stress desk it works. they use it on gray hounds. i use it all the time.

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Posted by Cleo on 08-11-2010 08:35 PM:

? for you, Larry,

It is normally around 85 to 90 degrees when I turn my hounds out in the evenings (considering our "low" at night has been around 70 - 80, that's about the best I can do) and I keep kiddy pools filled with water so they can get in something cool. They have nothing but shade to play in, so it's not TOOO to hot in their pen.

My question is this....I have noticed that my older dogs will get in the pool and just stand there. They don't lay in it like the pups do, they just stand there and seem to cool off so quickly. Is the pads of their feet a "cooling spot" for them? Is it OK for then to cool off that fast?

Thanks for any help. I don't want to make them even HOTTER by offering them the pool......

Posted by Cleo on 08-11-2010 08:36 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Bluedogman
Love the way you come in and put the facts up for us Larry!

He's always a good one to ask.....

Posted by Epson on 08-11-2010 09:11 PM:

from my understanding is dogs only sweat from the bottoms of their feet, which doesn't cool them off as fast is another reason why they pant so heavily. standing in the water is cooling them off not doing any harm. thats just what i've been told

Posted by Larry Atherton on 08-11-2010 09:18 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Cleo
[B Is the pads of their feet a "cooling spot" for them?
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Yes, and so is their tongue. That is why they pant.

As far as cooling too fast, I would not worry about your older dogs. I am actually a bit old school. Dogs are dogs and people are people. We have similiarities true, but I try hard not to humanize them. I find the more we humanize dogs the greater harm we do. Fact of the matter is canines can and do survive without us.

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If I was to guess, I bet the product you mentioned is geared more towards actual muscle fatigue and recovery than helping maintain a healthy body temperature or electrolyte balance.

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Posted by Cleo on 08-11-2010 09:24 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Larry Atherton
I find the more we humanize dogs the greater harm we do. Fact of the matter is canines can and do survive without us.

You said a mouthful there! So TRUE!

Posted by Chris.S on 08-11-2010 09:25 PM:

Just last week one of mine had a heat stroke in a bean field race. I found her stumbling along the side of the field in a fence row. Eyes were glazed, tounge a mile long and bright red and panting, could hardly walk for dragging her back legs. Lucky for me she was wearing a Garmin so I found her right off.

When the weather get this hot I always carry a bottle of frozen water on my belt for drinking. I layed her down and put the frozen water on her stomach/inside her legs while occasionally giving her a little to drink. Took about 10min and she was back too normal, don't know if she would have made it if not for the frozen water cooling her off so quick.

Posted by oklared on 08-12-2010 02:35 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Epson
from my understanding is dogs only sweat from the bottoms of their feet, which doesn't cool them off as fast is another reason why they pant so heavily. standing in the water is cooling them off not doing any harm. thats just what i've been told

DOGS RELEASE BODY HEAT OUT THIER BACK.

Posted by oklared on 08-12-2010 02:40 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Larry Atherton
Pedialite and gatorade are designed to replace electrolytes that are lost through sweating, vomitting, and/or diarrhea.

Dogs are not prone to lose of electrolites by sweating. They do not sweat.

As far as it doing any damage I have not heard of any. Fact is in mammalian bodies if a critter is thristy it is best given water. It is the lack of water that creates thrist.

A FELLOW THAT OWNED KACY RACEING GREYHOUND STUD FARM(the largest in USA at the time) TOLD ME THEY PUT JUST A LITTLE GATORAID IN THIER WATER.

Posted by outlaw river on 08-12-2010 03:05 AM:

carry a bottle of isoppropal rubbing alcohol in your truck. if a dog overheats or just hot in general rub the alcohol on there inner ears and the pads of there feet it will drop there body temp 5 degrees within 30 seconds

Posted by Stokes08 on 08-12-2010 03:34 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Seminole
Agree with buckshot pedialyte is the best, gatorade has too much sugar in it.

yes give them pedialyte we used to do it with bird dogs and it would spark them up...exspecially when it is hot...dont know why but my dog would hunt better when i gave it to him...but i could also say hamburger and he would do anything i told him...lol

Posted by Larry Atherton on 08-12-2010 03:38 PM:

O.K. Here is the whole story from a vet.

Please note the following is copied.

Heat Stroke and Overheating in Dogs: Treatment and Prevention.
by: Nate Baxter, DVM
Guideline and overview
for dogs that overheat.
. . . . .The first thing that needs to be understood is that dogs and people are different enough that most of the info cannot cross lines. I do not profess to know what the appropriate procedures for people other than what I learned in first aid.
Electrolyte replacement: Dogs do not lose enough electrolytes thru exercise to make a difference, but if the dog gets truly into heat stroke the physiology changes will make them necessary. BUT oral replacement at that point is futile, they need IV and lots of it.
Cooling: The point of evaporative cooling being the most efficient is correct. However, in a muggy environment, that will not help as much, so I do cool with the coldest water I can find and will use ice depending on the situation. The best way is to run water over the dog, so there is always fresh water in contact. When you immerse a dog in a tub, the water trapped in the hair coat will get warm next to the dog, and act as an insulator against the cool water and cooling stops. If you can run water over the dog and place it in front of a fan that is the best. Misting the dog with water will only help if you are in a dry environment or in front of a fan.
Just getting the dog wet in not the point, you want the water to be cool itself, or to evaporate.
For MOST situation all you will need to do is get the dog in a cooler environment, ie shade, or in the cab of the truck with the air conditioning on (driving around so the truck does not overheat and the AC is more efficient).
When I had one dog I just pulled the wire crate out of the car and put it in some shade and hopefully a breeze. But having 2 dogs and running from one stake to another, that was not feasible. So I built a platform to put the wire crates on, this raises the dog up in the truck box where air flow better. Then I placed a 3 speed box fan in front blowing on the dogs with a foot of space to allow better airflow.
I purchased a power inverter that connects to the battery and allows the 3 speed fan to run from the truck power. It has an automatic feature that prevents it from draining the battery. When I turned that fan on medium I would find that the dogs where asleep, breathing slowly and appeared very relaxed and comfortable in a matter of 20 minutes or less, even on very hot muggy days.
Alcohol: {Rubbing Alcohol] I did not carry it but probably will next year. It is very effective at cooling due to the rapid evaporation. It should be used when other methods are not working, but do not hesitate to use it. Due to the thicker skin and rapid evaporation I do not worry about it being absorbed. Plus we recommend using rubbing alcohol, which is propylene alcohol, not ethyl, for those of you not aware. So do not try to drink it<VBG>.
I purchased those cooling pads, but found that the dogs would not lay on them. I would hold them on the back of a dog that just worked to get a quick cool, but probably will not mess with them next summer. I also bought a pair of battery operated fans but found them pretty useless. Spend your money on the power inverter and get a real fan.
Watching temp: If you feel your dog is in danger of heat injury, check its temp and write it down. Keep checking the temp every 3 minutes. Don't forget to shake it down completely each time, sounds silly, but when are worried about your companion, things tend to get mixed up.
This is VERY IMPORTANT:
Once the temp STARTS to drop, STOP ALL COOLING EFFORTS. The cooling process will continue even though you have stopped. If the temp starts at 106.5, and then next time it drops to 105.8, stop cooling the dog, dry it off, and continue monitoring. You will be amazed how it continues to go down. If you do not stop until the temp is 102, the temp will drop on down to 99 or even lower. I cannot emphasis that point enough.
Limit water: When the dog is so heated that it is panting severely, only let it have a few laps of water. Water in the stomach does not cool the dog, you just need to keep the mouth wet so the panting is more effective. Do not worry about hydration until the temp has started down. A dog panting heavily taking in large amounts of water is a risk of bloat. Due to the heavy panting they will swallow air mix in a large amount of water they can bloat. Once the temp is going down and panting has slowed to more normal panting then allow water. The dog will rehydrate it self after temp is normal.
If the dog has a serious problem and even though you have gotten the temp normal, get the dog to a vet, as it can still need IV fluids and some medication. Also, a case of heat stroke can induce a case of hemorrhagic gastroenteritis (not parvo), with a ton of very bloody diarrhea and a lot of fluid and electrolyte loss. These cases need aggressive treatment.
Prevention: The best method of treatment is prevention. Learn to watch your dog, and see the changes in the size of the tongue, and how quickly it goes down. Learn your dogs response to the different environments, and be careful when you head south for an early season hunt test or trial. I have been to Nashville at the end of May the last 2 years, only 5 hours away, but the difference in temp and humidity did effect the dogs as they were used to more spring weather in Ohio. Try different things in training to help the dog cool and learn what works better.
Another very important point:
Do not swim your hot dog to cool it then put in put in a box/tight crate. Remember, evaporation can not take place in a tight space, and the box will turn into a sauna. Carry a stake out chain, and let the dog cool and dry before putting it up.
Whew!! Did not think this would get so long. I hope this is easy to understand and helps provide some info that will be useful.
Remember: Prevention- learn your dog. It is worth the time and effort.
Permission is granted to re-post this article as long as the originals are not edited and credit is given.

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Posted by Majestic Tree H on 08-12-2010 04:47 PM:

Good Information !! I now have a good Supply of Lactiated Ringer's Injection .. It has Saved Pups with Parvo and a Very bad Case of Dehydration while runing Bear last training season, One of my Hounds was Starting into shock when I got to him .. Top of a Mountain and No Water..

Its Very Cheep about $8.00 for 1000 ml plus a $2.00 IV Drip set ..

If you have a Hound that doesn't Travel well and Drolls out several Pints of "Hydration" during your trip to go Hunt them ..

Your on your way to a serious situation Runing in this Heat !!!

You have to Give them Time to Rehydrate and its alot more than Just a Drink of Water .. It a little Water then wait 15 min. then Water them again ..

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