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Posted by treberta on 01-08-2010 07:21 PM:

Dogs Starting Young

Just curious why guys get so excited when a dog is hunting and treeing at 5 to 11 months old?

Most of those dogs get burnt out and by the time there 2 woln't even hunt. I just can't help but see all there threads and replys of dogs doing it since they were 5 to 11 months old.

Take a dog that is not a year old yet and enter a hunt and bad luck strikes and it gets eat up what do you have left?

I have seen more dogs ruined at a young age because guys pushed them to hard and expected to much out of them.

Posted by wishiwashunting on 01-08-2010 07:32 PM:

I don't see anything wrong with starting a dog young if it will do it. Personally I wouldn't put them in a hunt below a year old but they need to be in the woods before that.

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Posted by Okie Dawg on 01-08-2010 07:37 PM:

I think the starting young is fine. I think were people go wrong is in the pushing to hard. Learning is one thing (fun) but turning it into work is another thing.

Now puting them in a hunt were they don't know what they are entering the woods with to young is just crazy in my opinion. To young depends on the dog and you better be a good judge of that when the time comes.

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Posted by Rick Ennen on 01-08-2010 07:41 PM:

It's senseless handling and unrealistic expectations that causes burn out. The age of the dog is not what causes burnout.

Posted by wishiwashunting on 01-08-2010 07:41 PM:

Okie Dawg

I agree 100%

Posted by treberta on 01-08-2010 07:44 PM:

The whole reason I started this thread is because most people get a 7 month old treeing and looking decent then they think they gota hunt it every night or put it in the hunts. Just in most cases it isn't good in teh long run.

Posted by Ron Ashbaugh on 01-08-2010 07:45 PM:

I work about 50 hours a week, have other hobbies and interests. If me hunting a dog burns it out then I need a new dog. I guess there are folks on there that can hunt all night every night and that is goody for you, but I think a lot of times there is very little danger of hunting a young dog alone too much.

As with most things in hunting and handling dogs, sometimes you just have to use common sense, but that seems to be lacking a good bit of the time.

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Posted by Mizzou on 01-08-2010 09:13 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by treberta
The whole reason I started this thread is because most people get a 7 month old treeing and looking decent then they think they gota hunt it every night or put it in the hunts. Just in most cases it isn't good in teh long run.

Hey, send me those 7 month old dogs that are running and treeing. I will take all of them. You got any that you want to get rid of?

Posted by on 01-08-2010 09:24 PM:

I agree with Briar. If I can hunt one hard enough to burn it out, I didn't have nothing to start with. They don't get burned out, some do get ruined.

Posted by Okie Dawg on 01-08-2010 09:36 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Mizzou
Hey, send me those 7 month old dogs that are running and treeing. I will take all of them. You got any that you want to get rid of?

Don't get greedy now you have to share......LOL

Posted by john Duemmer on 01-08-2010 09:49 PM:

I look at it this way, why feed a pup for a year or two before you know what you have? I like a pup born in Dec. or Jan so i can start taking them for walks as soon as the weather breaks in the spring and the young dumb Kits are out. Most of the time by the time they are 6 or 7 months i know if they have talent and i want to keep feeding them. I always laugh when i hear someone talking about their 2 year old pup.

Posted by burdette on 01-08-2010 10:03 PM:

treberta ive started LOTS of dogs and had them treeing their own coon really young and never ruined any. people just hunt them way too hard once they get them started. ive got a 8 mth old BLACK N TAN thats been treening his own since 5 mths old. i thought you was only like 12 yrs old or something so how have you seen soo many dogs ruined?????

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Posted by Okie Dawg on 01-08-2010 10:41 PM:

I have a year and a half old B&T that never got off a chain till I got him at 11 months old. He is running and treeing a coon about any time you turn him loose. Even in this cold weather and long running bore.
I have a 6 month old blue pup that has been running and treeing his own coon for well over a month now. They both handle well in and out of the woods. Havent put staunch obeidence commands in them but they know when told to heel they better quit pulling and get to the side. I will do more on that this spring.
I have a 8 weak old walker pup that is house broke to the point of comming and wakeing me up in my chair just a while ago to let me know she needed out. She will speak on command, open her wire crate door with her foot then walk around to the side and sling it the rest of the way open with her nose. Finds her food at eating time. I put it in a differant place and try to keep it about 3 ft. high. Then turn her out to find it. We have 2 fans running all the time. I can let her out the front door. There is a highway and the main street of town in front of my house about 40 ft. from my front door. She goes out by herself,goes to the side of the house, does her buisness and comes back and barks to get in.
Does the same to get out but sometimes comes to me instead of the door. Can't wait for better weather to do some field work with her.

Posted by john Duemmer on 01-08-2010 11:03 PM:

As far as burning them out or ruining them by hunting them to young, i think many more pups are ruined by letting them set in the pen and get stupid until they are 10 months or a year old and they never learn to use their brain. To make my point just watch some coyote or fox pups in the wild. Momma teaches them to hunt at a very young age and they learn quick or die and never get to reproduce. Learning and figuring out new things becomes a habbit when you start them young.

Posted by roughcreek on 01-09-2010 12:31 AM:

As far as burning them out or ruining them by hunting them to young, i think many more pups are ruined by letting them set in the pen and get stupid until they are 10 months or a year old and they never learn to use their brain.

my thoughts exactly !!
you can over due the little guys (4 to 6 months) & some just mature later. if you got much sence at all you know what each pup can handle & what age they are mentaly & physically ready to get serious about hunting. for me the younger the better.

JUST GET THE LITTLE GUYS OUT ONCE A WEEK ON A SHORT HUNT IN GOOD WHEATHER & LET UM HAVE FUN & SEE HOW MAY LESS CULLS YOU'L HAVE !! (4 & 5 MONTH OLDS) & LEAVE THE DAGONE CAGE COONS ALONE !!

Posted by Mike Poe on 01-09-2010 01:11 AM:

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LEAVE THE DAGONE CAGE COONS ALONE !!

Thank You Jim I agree on the cage coon

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Posted by BAWL_TRACK on 01-09-2010 02:34 AM:

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I look at it this way, why feed a pup for a year or two before you know what you have? I like a pup born in Dec. or Jan so i can start taking them for walks as soon as the weather breaks in the spring and the young dumb Kits are out. Most of the time by the time they are 6 or 7 months i know if they have talent and i want to keep feeding them. I always laugh when i hear someone talking about their 2 year old pup.

some might laugh but i really dont care but ive heard alot of old hunters tell me a dog dont reach his peak an mature till like 4 so there for so really an turly 15-24 months are still in the kid stage still learn so people can still have a 2 year old pup

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Posted by trappin_girl on 01-09-2010 03:19 AM:

reality has it i start mine when they can walk real good.

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Posted by trappin_girl on 01-09-2010 03:21 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Mizzou
Hey, send me those 7 month old dogs that are running and treeing. I will take all of them. You got any that you want to get rid of?

i had an 11 week old trail, track, and tree its first coon before! if u dont believe me ask wilburt richards in Weston, WV... he was there.

Posted by treberta on 01-11-2010 05:09 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by burdette
treberta ive started LOTS of dogs and had them treeing their own coon really young and never ruined any. people just hunt them way too hard once they get them started. ive got a 8 mth old BLACK N TAN thats been treening his own since 5 mths old. i thought you was only like 12 yrs old or something so how have you seen soo many dogs ruined?????

12? good one, I have won more casts then you will ever hope to win in youre life time. Hundreds I hope to draw you out soon. I will be packing a little 30lb walker female named mouse, you will remember her name after the hunt trust me.

Posted by Ron Ashbaugh on 01-11-2010 05:15 PM:

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Originally posted by treberta
12? good one, I have won more casts then you will ever hope to win in youre life time. Hundreds I hope to draw you out soon. I will be packing a little 30lb walker female named mouse, you will remember her name after the hunt trust me.

Hundreds?? For 300 hunts at $20 for an entry fee and $30 in average fuel you have spent $15,000 dollars in these two parts of comp hunting??

Thats 2 straight years of hunting 3 hunts a week. WOW. You must be good or at least be able to travel quite a bit or have a PILE of clubs close to you.

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Posted by Maniac on 01-11-2010 05:17 PM:

I HALF TO DISAGREE WITH SOME PEOPLE ON HERE.
IF YOU DONT THINK YOU CAN BURN A YOUNG DOG OUT BRING IT TO ME AND THE WAY I HUNT I WILL ASURE YOU THAT THEY CAN BE BURN OUT!
A DOG THAT STARTS LATER SEEM LIKE THEY MAKE BETTER HOUNDS! THAN THE ONES THAT START EARLY!

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Posted by Ron Ashbaugh on 01-11-2010 05:17 PM:

and thats not counting the casts you lost..........

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Posted by treberta on 01-11-2010 05:19 PM:

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Originally posted by trappin_girl
i had an 11 week old trail, track, and tree its first coon before! if u dont believe me ask wilburt richards in Weston, WV... he was there.

Very impressive but what does that prove?

What happens to a child that is abused at a young age? They usually have problems later down the road right?

Same goes with dogs. I don't know about you all but when my dogs make a mistake they get punished. They have to be punished or else that habbit will become an occurring thing. For instance if you punish a 9 month old dog for slick treeing 2 or 3 times that dog is going to think before it trees, there aren't to many pups that just are naturals when it comes to everything. I have yet to see one that didn't go throught a rough stage before it was considered finished.

Posted by Okie Dawg on 01-11-2010 05:21 PM:

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Originally posted by trappin_girl
i had an 11 week old trail, track, and tree its first coon before! if u dont believe me ask wilburt richards in Weston, WV... he was there.

Your a girl you shouldn't even be in here. You know what you will do to our ego when we get beat by a girl. We don't even like getting beat by a differant breed of dog. You are going to give us a complex. Then with a good laywer we can sue you. ( : LOL
i SURE HOPE YOU HAVE THE SAME BREED i DO. Atleast that way I won't have the breed shame going on. LOL

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