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Posted by N2BLU on 08-15-2009 01:43 AM:

pups legs bowing (help)

My 8 week old Blue pups front legs are starting to bow out and she is starting to knuckle over. Has anyone had any luck with the Eagle Brand feed correcting this problem? That stuff is pretty expensive to say the least but I am willing the go the mile if it corrects the problem.

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Posted by J_Williams on 08-15-2009 01:48 AM:

give him calcium + D 500mg and vitamin c 500mg daily. This is simmelar to ricets i belive. i had a redbone pup do this about 2 years ago.

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Posted by Mike Donaldson on 08-15-2009 01:50 AM:

Make sure it is getting plenty of sunlight.

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Posted by N2BLU on 08-15-2009 01:55 AM:

Thanks

Thanks for the Help. I did have her in my covered kennels but I have since moved her to an outside pen.
What was the outcome on the Red pup after giving the vitamins. Did the pup show any signs of the problem when it matured?

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Posted by Brian-BleedzRed on 08-15-2009 02:01 AM:

Ricets

[QUOTE]Originally posted by J_Williams
[B]give him calcium + D 500mg and vitamin c 500mg daily. This is simmelar to ricets i belive.

Ditto
I'v had countless american bulldog pups like this it is called ricets and the more sunlight the better they uselly straitin up in a week or two and have no more problems.

Posted by N2BLU on 08-15-2009 02:10 AM:

Thanks Brian

Brian did your bulldog pups straghten up on there own with the help of plenty of sunlight, or did you have to assist them with some type of medication/vitamins/diet change?

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Posted by Hamp Gillis on 08-15-2009 02:14 AM:

ive had this same problem with a pup i got, his legs were bowing bad and i carried him to the vet, he said there wasn't any problem, it was just a calcium difficency and they will grow out of it. i asked the vet bout calcium peels, he said they used to give them to them, but it doesn't really help they will just grow out of it.

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Posted by wade lucking on 08-15-2009 02:18 AM:

cod liver fish pills.

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Posted by N2BLU on 08-15-2009 02:20 AM:

Thanks Hamp

I am starting to feel a little better about the problem so far. I will make the sunshine available and keep a close watch on her.

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Posted by ronniesoles on 08-15-2009 02:22 AM:

I have good luck with cod liver oil

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Posted by N2BLU on 08-15-2009 02:24 AM:

Cod Liver pills

Wade where would a fellow pick up Cod Liver Pills?

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Posted by Bear on 08-15-2009 02:33 AM:

Re: Cod Liver pills

quote:
Originally posted by N2BLU
Wade where would a fellow pick up Cod Liver Pills?

walmart

Posted by liberalcreek on 08-15-2009 02:47 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by wade lucking
cod liver fish pills.

Ditto. Works great for bowed legs and knuckled over pups.

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Posted by triple jacks on 08-15-2009 03:00 AM:

PUPPY FOOD

You need to put her on a better puppy food.

Posted by Ghillieman05 on 08-15-2009 03:20 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by wade lucking
cod liver fish pills.

I just recently had a pup with the same problem. I gave him those pills twice a day, once in morning, and once in the evening. after the first week of the pills his legs looked alot better. Two weeks in, he was 100%, I fed him the rest of the bottle as stated above and he never looked back.

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Posted by N2BLU on 08-15-2009 03:41 AM:

Great Responce to a call for help

Thanks to all so far that have responded to my call for help. It looks like I'm off to Wally World in the morning for Cod Liver Fish Pills after a trip for wormer and another pup shot.
I am all ears to any more help. Sounds like feed is also a factor.

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Posted by DonBTechler on 08-15-2009 03:58 AM:

Meat and Milk

Posted by Laurie Soutar on 08-15-2009 04:04 AM:

It's a vitamin D deficiency - dogs manufacture vitamin D in the body from sunshine, and dogs that are inside or mostly in shade during heavy growth periods will knuckle over, go down in pastern, or will get bowed legs.
Cod liver oil is high in Vit D, that's why it helps. However, use the cod liver oil cautiously, more is not better - vit D is a fat-soluble vitamin, so if you give them more than they need, the extra gets stored in the fat and the liver.
Give one pill (or half a teaspoon of the liquid) once a day for a week, then once every other day for a week or two, and that's all they need.
Get them out in the sunshine as much as you can - that's the best solution!
Laurie

Posted by l.lyle on 08-15-2009 06:16 AM:

Fast growing pups might show worse signs Than slow growing ones. If the pup is 10 lbs, I wouldn't hesitate to go with a tablespoon per 10 lbs. Cod liver oil, that is!

Posted by larry marshall on 08-15-2009 11:23 AM:

Bowed Legs

quote:
Originally posted by J_Williams
give him calcium + D 500mg and vitamin c 500mg daily. This is simmelar to ricets i belive. i had a redbone pup do this about 2 years ago.

Mr. Williams is right on. This happens a lot on Puppies that have been shipped or put through a lot of stress. The calcium etc. along with raw eggs has always worked for me. I know a lot of people will say dogs can't digest raw eggs. Well that is bunk, youties eat every ground nesting game birds eggs they find, and they never have bowed legs. JMO. Larry

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Posted by Bear on 08-15-2009 11:34 AM:

Re: PUPPY FOOD

quote:
Originally posted by triple jacks
You need to put her on a better puppy food.

seen more cases of this with pups on the "so called" good puppy foods.Best bet is to put pups(after 8 weeks) on the same good quaility dog food you feed your adult dogs.And not hi pro and hi fat. More times than not the bowed legs -ricketts is caused by the pup growing weight wise faster than the bones and tendons can keep up.And be careful of adding to much cal.In some cases it can add to the problem.Cod liver oil and plenty of sunlight,a good standard protien/fat diet and no OVER feeding will straighten the problem out in a couple weeks.

Posted by kycooner1 on 08-15-2009 01:17 PM:

Re: Re: PUPPY FOOD

quote:
Originally posted by bearhunter
seen more cases of this with pups on the "so called" good puppy foods.Best bet is to put pups(after 8 weeks) on the same good quaility dog food you feed your adult dogs.And not hi pro and hi fat. More times than not the bowed legs -ricketts is caused by the pup growing weight wise faster than the bones and tendons can keep up.And be careful of adding to much cal.In some cases it can add to the problem.Cod liver oil and plenty of sunlight,a good standard protien/fat diet and no OVER feeding will straighten the problem out in a couple weeks.

This is correct.

I am experiencing a problem with my pup rite now,,and the preliminary diagnosis is too much high quality puppy food,,vet wants to put him on a senior diet food. He wieghs 40 lbs at a little over 3 1/2 mo old.

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Posted by N2BLU on 08-15-2009 02:04 PM:

experience

IMO it is hard to beat experience.I Hope the replies to this subject are helping someone else as well as me.Seems to be a fairly common occurence. Thanks again to all.

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Posted by jeffm on 08-15-2009 02:41 PM:

I had this problem once, vet had me give the pup 1/2 of a large Tums with calcium. I don't know if it was the Tums or just time but she did get better over about two momths. The breeder said the mother dried up really early so the pups eating formula alot and probably were not getting sufficient calcium.

Posted by Christy on 08-15-2009 02:48 PM:

Re: Great Responce to a call for help

quote:
Originally posted by N2BLU
Thanks to all so far that have responded to my call for help. It looks like I'm off to Wally World in the morning for Cod Liver Fish Pills after a trip for wormer and another pup shot.
I am all ears to any more help. Sounds like feed is also a factor.

WE ALWAYS RAISE OUR PUPS ON PURINA PUPPY CHOW AND WE RAISE SOME HEALTHY PUPPIES.

IT KEEPS THEIR BONES STRONG AND KEEPS THEM HEALTHY.

WE TALKED TO OUR VET ABOUT A LITTER WE RAISED ON THE BOTTLE SEVERAL YEARS AGO THAT WE KEPT INSIDE AND THEY GOT RICKETS AND SHE TOLD US THE SAME STORY ABOUT IT BEING A VITAMIN D DEFICIENCY FROM LACK OF SUNLIGHT.

WE TOLD HER ABOUT THE CALCIUM PILLS, SHE SUGGESTED IF WE EVER HAD THAT TO HAPPEN AGAIN DONT AUTOMATICALLY START SUPPLEMENTING WITH CALCIUM BECAUSE THE PUPS BODY IS PRODUCING THE CALCIUM FINE, AND IF YOU START GIVING MORE CALCIUM THAN WHAT THE BODY ACUTALLY NEEDS, IT COULD HAVE THE REVERSE AFFECT AND ACTUALLY MAKE THE RICKETS WORSE WITH ALL THE EXTRA CALCIUM.

LUCKILY, WE HAVENT HAD ANY WITH RICKETS SINCE THEN, BUT IT MAKES SENSE TO ME.

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