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Coon in the south vs coon in the North
I don't understand , I've herd on here several times "Bring them north dogs down here they don't have a chance",Now I would admit we seem to have alot more coon up here and we do get some of what I call pop ups, Heck tonight we turned loose dogs real excited on the lead turned loose didn't go 20 yards and treed with the coon,but back to my point, we've got lots of deer,skunks,grinners, house cats,just about everything you can Image, I know mountains and swamps are hard going but we talking Dogs,my dogs are fit, just because my out of shape body would be huffin and puffin over ruff terrian doesn't have any effect on my dogs shape,it seems to me if you were in slim pickins for coon,and you strike how hard would it be to run the only coon in county,it seems one of a dogs biggest down falls would be there attention span bouncing from this to that, and trying to keep it straight on what is being chased in the dark, walking into the dogs to night we come across three bedded deer, a grinner , and somones cat,and that was in a hundred yard walk just about on the same line the dogs took.Like I said we do have good numbers for coon in most areas,and yes it does make it nice when you can tree several different coon around 1 small corn field but how does that affect a dogs ability, It don't make a dog lazy it makes me lazy,Sorry guys and gals a dog is a dog no matter where its dropped, but are love handles mite bigger but doesn't make are dogs dumber,and just means they get to tree alot more.JMO
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Armadillas are another factor here and the main one where I live is the water. These are both things that a dog can adapt to on most occasions. I've bought several dogs from the north and most have caught on. If a dog can learn to hunt down a creek and just not all over the place and work a track in over knee deep mud and water most of the time he will fair alright in south GA.
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It's silly-ness is what it is.
The ride has more of an impact than the terrain or climate. True, it would take a while to acclimate but you can still expect a good hunt out of your dog regardless of where you are. If not, stop making excuses...you're lacking dog power is all.
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Besides north & south,
don't forget about out west Ka, Ok. & Texas where they are in a drought condition right now.
Up north, the trailing conditions are usually much better (except in winter) & the coon population is much greater than down south where it is hot & humid or out west where this time of year a dog will be trailing in very dry, dusty conditions.
Most dogs in these areas have been bred for those particular areas/conditions. You can take a dog from say Oklahoma back to Indiana & it will do things a little slower then the dogs that are used to those good conditions. Like wise, you take a dog from Ind. Ohio, or Mich. out to Ka. Ok. or Texas this time of year & they will look absolutly LOST.
Also IMO, most dogs out west were not bred for what some of you call COMPITITION DOGS,
For those of you that think you have a super dog, where ever you turn it loose, BETTER COME OUT FROM UNDER THAT ROCK. There might be a few but not many that will look good the first few nights in these different conditions.
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Where I hunt it's water and briars that make it tuff. Many dogs (even from the other end of NC) will not take this amount of water just to LOOK fro a coon, most will run a hot track if they get on one. Then in some areas we have Barris so thick that the dogs actually get hung up trying to trail through. I've seen multiflora rose and it is open compared to some of these pine plantations full of green briar.
On top of that we probably have five deer, and twenty opossums for each coon. Plus bear, bobcat, fox, coyote, mink, etc for the dogs to pass up.
Yes, a good dog is usually a good dog anywhere you turn it loose but there is usually a learning curve. Sometimes when I take a dog up north it looks stupid until it gets use to so many coon.
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Actually, up here (North) we dont have many coon at all. I dont know why people keep saying that. And we have porcupines to worry about. For off game we're starting to get opposum...and we have a ton of coyote, red and gray fox, fisher, lots of deer, bear, woodchucks, beaver, otter, muskrat, mink, weasel, skunk....it's loads of fun starting a young dog! lol
With that in mind, I would think any dog from anywhere would be expected to do well around here now (blueberry season) and next month during sweet corn season.
During the winter, I think a dog would need to get used to how to operate but again, I think any dog from anywhere would get used to it and perform as well as they're capable of. Cold temps, lots of snow, no coon moving. Can be tough for any dog even around here. I'm sure anywhere in the country there are places that a dog would need to acclimate to before they perform well. I just hate hearing people claim (------ dogs are better than ------ dogs because of ----) Silly.
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Re: Coon in the south vs coon in the North
quote:100 YARDS lol.....You gotta keep em off all that off game times 10 here for a mile or better..Then you know you have a straight dog..Your right its the attention span..Specially with young dogs.They get tired of not being able to get after anything..So they start to stray and run junk..I've hunted up north and have saw good northern dogs and good southern dogs..No doubt in my mind ya'll have better hunting just because of the high coon population..Heck not all of the south has bad hunting..Middle GA and specially south GA has tons more coon than north GA....A coondog should adjust fairly fast to any condition but I think it would be easier to take one from here and tree coon up there than vice versa without a few days to get acustomed to the hunting BUT Thats just me..Untill you know your dog can go a couple miles and to tree a coon.You dont know how he would hunt here.Just like I really have no clue as to what mine would do if I cut her on a cornfield with 20 or more coon sitting around it!!
Originally posted by JefferyAntes
I don't understand , I've herd on here several times "Bring them north dogs down here they don't have a chance",Now I would admit we seem to have alot more coon up here and we do get some of what I call pop ups, Heck tonight we turned loose dogs real excited on the lead turned loose didn't go 20 yards and treed with the coon,but back to my point, we've got lots of deer,skunks,grinners, house cats,just about everything you can Image, I know mountains and swamps are hard going but we talking Dogs,my dogs are fit, just because my out of shape body would be huffin and puffin over ruff terrian doesn't have any effect on my dogs shape,it seems to me if you were in slim pickins for coon,and you strike how hard would it be to run the only coon in county,it seems one of a dogs biggest down falls would be there attention span bouncing from this to that, and trying to keep it straight on what is being chased in the dark, walking into the dogs to night we come across three bedded deer, a grinner , and somones cat,and that was in a hundred yard walk just about on the same line the dogs took.Like I said we do have good numbers for coon in most areas,and yes it does make it nice when you can tree several different coon around 1 small corn field but how does that affect a dogs ability, It don't make a dog lazy it makes me lazy,Sorry guys and gals a dog is a dog no matter where its dropped, but are love handles mite bigger but doesn't make are dogs dumber,and just means they get to tree alot more.JMO
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I have hunted them in Georgia,Kentuckey,Indinia,Ohio, being from Michigan it is deffantly differant in these places sometimes it took a track to get them to look good and sometimes it was right out of the box if you are hunting streight dogs it does not matter where ever you put them and these hounds are out there in every breed. I will add that I have even had pop up coons in Georgia as well as MI,OH,IN speed is speed and hot is hot no mater where it is just my experance not trying to be a know it all thanks.
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you find me a dog that has any idea what state he is in ill take two casue thats a smart dog, if u have a coon dog north or south they will get in there and track and tree, ive bought 3 dogs from the deep south and they do alot of slick treeing cause there is too much sent up here for them and they dont know how too take it , i bought another dog from ark. and he is the best dog i ever hunted antwhere
a coondog is a coondog anywere u drop him. I dont care if it's north south east or west. Anyone else who thinks it makes a difference is a plumb idiot bar none. ive coonhunted in the south east and west and it makes no difference what so ever still treed coons ive never won a cast on minus points(hunt more pkc). Only thing that makes a difference is up here in 2 hours u can score on 4 or 5 coon. down there u might only tree 2 or 3. Anything else someone tells ya is a bunch of B.S and prolly a idiot that dont know nothing. if you think ur dogs gonna act any different then it prolly needs shot.
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I have hunt all over up and down . most northen dogs that are brought down here in the mountains stay hung up on a cliff all night . you have too spend all night trying to get them down .
Coon in the south vs coon in the North ?????????
in what? Football game? softball? chess?
Joe S.
I guess I'm an IDIOT THEN????????????????
Load that SUPER DOG of yours up & go down to "Texas Slick Trees" place (He's on here every now & then), which is close to San Antonio, Tx. & see OLE SUPER DOG GO. Then come back & tell us he looked just as good as he did around your place & you might convince me, THAT I'M AN IDIOT. LOL
All I & some others on here are saying is that it will take most dogs a little time to acclimate to the new hunting conditions.
Over the years I have hunted in every state between Penn. to Kansas, down to Tx. & back over to Fla. with the exception of the 2 Carolina's & the 2 Virginia's. I could always see a difference in my dog's for awhile like when I would go from Oklahoma to Ind. or down to Albany, Ga, & I've had a couple of pretty decent ones.
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Re: Joe S.
quote:im glade ur not in denial no more john. why would i want to hunt with someone who calls himself texas slick trees usually u pick ur screename on something u can relate to so...
Originally posted by John Wittenborn
I guess I'm an IDIOT THEN????????????????
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DANG,
that was a FAST TRIP down to Tx. tell us how OLE SUPER DOG looked down there????????????????????????? LOL
You must travel at WARP SPEED???????????????????????
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nothing in texas but steers and queers nothing there i need to see. Hey John u prolly think that the coon hunting is different in illinois also huh. Ive hunted all around Sessar and all around Duquoin tree coons all around there no problem and people have told me that treein coons there was harder.
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Re: Joe S.
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Originally posted by John Wittenborn
I guess I'm an IDIOT THEN????????????????
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Joe,
come on down this fall & we'll go down to the DUCK PONDS in Oakwood Bottom. You can stay here & eat what us POOR FOLKS eat. It's only about 5000-6000 acres of water, with a levee here & there. otherwise it's about knee to armpit deep.
Thats where I do most of my fall time hunting. OH YEA, you might want to just wear TENNIS SHOES, you can POUR THE WATER out of them quicker. LOL
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Re: DANG,
quote:this is a invite to all your southern guys who think your dogs are better then the dogs up north , come up here about jan 15th with the temp about 0 out and a nice 6 inches of hard crusty snow , i hunt mississippi river bluffs , river bottoms, cat tail swamps corn fields, bluff area got it all lets see the warm blooded hounds in this frozen tundra in jan lol , oh ya and to let you know ive seen a few didnt want to get out of the truck, and i think i dog from iowa won the world hunt when it was in kuntucky a few years ago , think her name was quick or something like that
Originally posted by John Wittenborn
that was a FAST TRIP down to Tx. tell us how OLE SUPER DOG looked down there????????????????????????? LOL
You must travel at WARP SPEED???????????????????????
I am not in to call people names but anyone that thinks there is not diff. is wrong . A dog has to be hunted and trained IN these swamps and cliffs to tree coons night in and night out . most corn ground looks the same .
Re: Re: Joe S.
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Originally posted by Joe S.
im glade ur not in denial no more john. why would i want to hunt with someone who calls himself texas slick trees usually u pick ur screename on something u can relate to so...
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Me and the wife are planning a trip to San Antonio I guess I'm going to have to drag a couple of Dogs with me,(She won't be happy, my wife that is) I have hunteds in Ohio, Ill.,and Indiana Southern boador of Michigan to the Bridge, Haven't been in the U.P. Scared of the Wolves, but there was a commet about hunting here in Janurary and a foot of snow on the ground and snow shoes on your feet make for some pretty tuff coon hunting, I did it and we treed more den trees then, but I also seen coon on the outside also even caught a few on the ground,when the temp. is reading zero and the a little wind makes it pretty sucky.
It was in single digits when we made are first drop this night.
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I forgot I had this picture, this was taken just before I made my first drop this night, 18 degrees in Michigan in Feburary after dark was a heat wave,
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u must not get on here much then cody. Watch going to texas Jeff you might not be able to tree none there.
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probaly not Joe ,but I think I'm being drawn to a challenge
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