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Posted by Justin Smith on 03-25-2009 01:42 PM:

Pup Prices

With the economy in the shape it's in ... when can we expect pup prices to start dropping ?

You used to could go to one of the coonhound events and get some real bargains .... I can understasnd top price for pups from really nice gyps bred to a proven sire in the stud programs .

.. but , these so-so gyps bred to something local and maybe in just the P.P. ... and the sire and dam don't have older , started pups on the ground ... that's about a $50 pup right there ... dang sure not $200-$300 .

Posted by HOBO on 03-25-2009 03:06 PM:

Re: Pup Prices

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Originally posted by Justin Smith
With the economy in the shape it's in ... when can we expect pup prices to start dropping ?

.. but , these so-so gyps bred to something local and maybe in just the P.P. ... and the sire and dam don't have older , started pups on the ground ... that's about a $50 pup right there ... dang sure not $200-$300 .

You have to be out of your mind !!!!

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Posted by Justin Smith on 03-25-2009 03:27 PM:

Well , just how bad does it have to get before it becomes a buyer's market ?

Posted by treemydog32 on 03-25-2009 03:33 PM:

dang are we going back to the 1950's ?? with prices of shot's, vet bill's ,puppy food , stud fee's ,gas etc..how in the world can you sell a pup for 50 bucks...

what world you living in ?? lol

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Posted by HOBO on 03-25-2009 03:35 PM:

If a person can't afford $ 200-300 for a pup then they have no business buying a pup. That $200 dollars is the cheapest part of buying the pup.

Posted by Dan Dogs on 03-25-2009 03:40 PM:

it cost more than 50 dollars to adopt a mutt pup out of the dog pound!!lol

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Posted by treemydog32 on 03-25-2009 03:44 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Dan Dogs
it cost more than 50 dollars to adopt a mutt pup out of the dog pound!!lol

AMEN on that 1..

Posted by on 03-25-2009 03:47 PM:

Some people want to make money, some want to cover costs and some just want to get their pup in the hands of a proven winning trainer/handler.
Anyone who has proven their abilty to train winning coondogs won't be paying anything for their pups.

Posted by C&S Kennel on 03-25-2009 04:04 PM:

any pup is worth $200 - $300, no breeder is making money at that.
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Posted by HOBO on 03-25-2009 04:06 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by JiM

Anyone who has proven their abilty to train winning coondogs won't be paying anything for their pups.

And they arent on here begging for prices to drop either.

Posted by on 03-25-2009 04:24 PM:

This is true!

Posted by Justin Smith on 03-25-2009 04:33 PM:

Pets are an almost guaranteed investment ... but with coonhounds , a first time cross and unproven studs ... you're not talking about paying $300 for a coondog ... you're talking about going through several of them before you get a good one .

By the same token that folks who can't afford pups should buy them .... if you can't afford to breed dogs without worrying about getting your "investment" back .. then you're also in the wrong market.

I haven't bought a hound pup in six years .... but , I do like to experiment now and then .... but when everyone thinks that just because their dogs are bred good they deserve $200-$300 per pup ... good luck .

How about a breeder saying .. for $500 , I'll keep supplying you with pups til' you are satisfied .... that would be more justified ... invest in the company , so to speak.

Posted by NCBLUE on 03-25-2009 04:36 PM:

go look at pups for say schutzhund or bird dog pups and you'll be glad to pay $200-$300 for a pup.

Posted by Justin Smith on 03-25-2009 04:42 PM:

I have payed $600-$800 for jag pups ... but they came from hard tested dogs and proven studs .

But .. if the sire doesn't have pups old enough to see hunt and it's the gyps first litter along with her not being a seasoned , road tested dog .... then those pups aren't worth nothing , it don't matter if you have alot tied up in them ...

It's like trying to sell a used truck that you overhauled ... just because it cost you a bundle just to get it up to par don't mean it's worth all that money when you sell it .

Posted by Sheriff Andy on 03-25-2009 05:02 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by HOBO
If a person can't afford $ 200-300 for a pup then they have no business buying a pup. That $200 dollars is the cheapest part of buying the pup.

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Posted by John D on 03-25-2009 05:08 PM:

I sold my last pups for $350 and $450 and think I might have underpriced the $450 ones. My pup prices never go down. The female becomes more proven with each litter and if the pups aren't turning out, I'd stop breeding her, period.

In my experience those where price is a big issue are the least likely to do anything with them. The ones that know what they are doing will make it worth 4 figures by the time its a year old and the initial price is not such an issue.

I don't have a problem with giving pups to people that will put the effort in. My pups carry an incentive that if it makes NtCh before its 3 years old, I will refund the purchase price. So, a $3-500 pup is too high for those that know they won't get the job done and becomes a free pup for those that will.

I'd stop raising pups if I can't get more than $200 out of them.

I will NEVER take unsold pups to a dog event again. I have never seen so many tire kickers and bargain hunters and the event becomes a job, instead of something fun, for me.

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Posted by Loren Simpson on 03-25-2009 05:47 PM:

Re: Re: Pup Prices

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You have to be out of your mind !!!!

he IS, just read a few of his threads!!!

but I have heard that he's usually got a good hound..

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Posted by Justin Smith on 03-25-2009 06:01 PM:

yeah , the sellers don't wanna hear about no recession or pup prices dropping ....

... but , how many of yall would pay that much for pups out of a stud that has no started dogs on the ground yet and a gyp that doesn't have a few hard seasons under her belt ?

Loren , I'm too cheap to feed anything that isn't pretty salty ... and still just tough enough to wear out a couple pair of hunting boots each year ... anyone that follows that recipe should have a good hound .

My current project fell off the fence and into the good side this morning .... it's been six years since I've had a dog good enough to name and send the papers in on .

Posted by Jay Bird 76 on 03-25-2009 10:05 PM:

I prefer a local pup from parents I've hunted...Papers do not mean much to me...So, I will pay $200 for a pup out of awesome coonhounds regardless of whether they are just local coon dogs or titled out dogs.

Posted by greg jones on 03-25-2009 10:13 PM:

weaning age pup is worth what ever you are willing to pay.Myself 200 is a fair price and wouldnt go much higher than that unless it was a semon pup off somthing that cant be bought everyday JMO

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Posted by MikeO on 03-25-2009 10:51 PM:

performance and superstakes drives pup prices higher plus walkers are higher anyway. personally i wouldn't buy one that is not eligible for the performance program s.s really doesn't matter to me just for resale value.

i bought my first pup at 8 months old for $150 20 years ago no p.p or s.s

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Posted by sharris on 03-25-2009 10:56 PM:

Re: Pup Prices

With the cost of all the programs SS,BS, and performance how can you justify selling a pup for $50. Not to mention if you breed a personal female and have to raise the pups with shots and feed till 2 months old and then get the litter registered. You barely come out selling them at $200-$300 depending on how many pups are in the litter. If you have a stud dog IMO the only way you can make money is either breed a couple outside females per month with a stud fee. Or raise the litter start them and sell them for $500-$1,000 and hope you get that special one that will sell for $3,500-$5,000 at a year old. Most stud dog owners do not make alot of money with the dog they do it b/c they like what he throws, but I do want to get some of my money back out of the litter.

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Posted by Velocity on 03-25-2009 11:25 PM:

$200 to $300 tops. I've gotten the last 2 pups around here for $150 and the last one for $200. I can't get over the $700 and up pups i've seen on here.Too much for me, but someone will buy them i'm sure.

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Posted by HOBO on 03-25-2009 11:56 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Velocity
I can't get over the $700 and up pups i've seen on here.Too much for me, but someone will buy them i'm sure.

I agree with you on this.... Unless its a pup off of semen then I can understand the higher prices.

Posted by GA DAWG on 03-26-2009 12:22 AM:

I aint giving any 200 or 300 for just any ol joe blow pup myself!!Sure dont expect anyone else to....For once I'm with Justin LOL!!!!!!! Like he said..I can see it out of proven dogs but not just anything...

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