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Deer Hunters who also coon hunt...help!

Has anyone found a way to address with deer hunters the fact that coonhunting does not interfere with their deer season, at least not in areas where deer are overpopulated, which is pretty much the entire state of Ohio?

I have studied deer in wild for many years, and they clearly remain very tied to their territories, both maternal feeding grounds, daybeds and juvenile herds.

When a deer is spooked or threatened, it runs a large 'circle' and eventually comes back round to just about where it started.

Around here, it is not uncommon for some deer to WATCH us track right by, just dashing enough out of the way to keep an eye on us, but not fleeing very far. The deer know that a person with a dog is NOT interested in the deer.

We have several forests we run dogs in year around, on some friends' farms who have several deer stands, and one guy sets up motion detector camera to watch wildlife coming onto his property and learn more about how the deer are moving there. He hunts deer, not coon, and has never had his deer season altered by our hounds being there.

What we KNOW, is that THREE YEARS of heavy running of dogs in these areas has not changed the deer's habits one iota.

True, I don't yet have a hound who runs deer, so I am guessing enough hounds DO run deer, that deer hunters are leery of 'any hound.' ??????

Anyway, we have a lot of guys who give permission for us to hunt their woods, but not until after deer gun season is over Jan 1 or whatever.

I am going to presume that wildlife divisions don't care if deer hunters understand deer ecology or not to share the woods with coonhunters, because not enough folks coonhunt, and the season is actually controlled by the fur trappers.

Basically, nobody cares about coonhunting. So they are not going to waste any effort teaching this kind of thing.

But it would be nice to know if deerhunting landowners have measurable reason why they refuse, or is it myth that persists through generations, perhaps even back from the time when whitetails were very rare here.

I have found that farmers and land owners are willing to let you hunt up till opening day of gun season (I success that) when they ho hum and it gets a yes out of them , I had one guy call me and ask me not to hunt his place one weekend because he was going to bow hunt that weekend, I hunted it that wednesday and he shoot a 18 inch 10 pointer saturaday called and told me to go ahead and feel free to hunt there the rest of the yr .

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That sounds like some good timing!

GUn season here is one week around t-giving, then a weekend after that, and muzzloader after xmas.

So guys will tell us no hunting from Nov 1 until after muzzleloader.

Some will just specify gun weeks and weekends.

I actually do not like to go out during gun weeks anyway. But it seems silly to lock out the whole rest of BOTH months, but that is what many do here.
But...if we find they got their huge buck, and we just were out Oct 31...maybe we'll change some minds too! Haha!

I think this link will help you. It is the result of a study done by the South Carolina Department of Natural Resources on the topic of coon hunting effect on deer movement and deer hunting success. It is a pdf file and take a moment to load, but definitely worth it. You will need acrobat reader to view it.

http://www.dnr.sc.gov/wildlife/publ...ccoonimpact.pdf

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youth pheasant was in this past 2 weeks i was huntin public land along with a ton of other guys and jumped deer every day out they ran hunder yards went right back in the thicket they know wuts goin on

I've found NO WAY possible to convince these deer hunters hounds dont bother the hunting..I have to get in deer leases to coon hunt in my area...They will not let you hunt during the season IF they let you in at all...I've found the best thing to do is not tell them you coon hunt..You can get in more land.Then hunt it after deer season!

Thanks for the article, and all the other info being shared.

I never got why people assume that either.
I refrain from hunting my dogs during the gun season because if I lose my hound I don't want a deer hunter to think my hound is the reason they haven't seen any deer. I belong to a deer hunting forum and I've heard too much of SSS, Shoot - Shovel - Shut up.

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I can go ahead and tell you, the ones that believe coon dogs affect their deer hunting are NOT going to change their mind, no matter what, for one simple reason- most of the "deer hunters" these days aren't in it one bit for the thrill of the hunt. Either they have someone they're trying to be like, or someone they're trying to impress, or deer hunting is their "flavor of the week." If you ONLY hunt one Saturday a month, have NEVER scouted, have to pay $5,000 a year to be in a hunting club, buy a $10,000 four wheeler and a $2,000 rifle that you paid someone else to sight in for you that you haul in your $50,000 truck and wear $1,000 dollars worth of scent killing clothes but still have to stop and gas up your truck and eat at Waffle House (or "cigarette central" as I call it) on your way to go hunting, then ride the 4 wheeler UP TO your 8'x8' shooting house (with propane heater) that's 5 feet off a dirt road, where you have $2500 worth of seed in a food plot and you WON'T shoot does, coyotes, or any buck under Boone and Crockett standards, and when you shoot a deer you have the head mounted and THROW THE MEAT AWAY, or you just pay someone to drive you to a stand, show you where the deer will be coming from and at what time they will be close enough for a shot, you better darn well have a good excuse when you don't see any deer, and coondogs are the best one going.

Pretty frustrating, the majority of deer hunters will not change their opinion. Two weeks ago treed, three of us went into the tree. Two deer about 20 yards away watched us shine the tree, one deer got bored and laid down.

Up here your dog will get shot for "running deer" if a deer hunter sees a dog in the woods. We stay out of the woods beginning a week before rifle season. Not as much of a problem during bow season, not the concentration of hunters in a short time period.

It is fun to take a deer hunter out for his first time coon hunting and watch him watch the dogs blow past a deer while the deer stands there and watches the dogs.

Gary

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Originally posted by coleman
I can go ahead and tell you, the ones that believe coon dogs affect their deer hunting are NOT going to change their mind, no matter what, for one simple reason- most of the "deer hunters" these days aren't in it one bit for the thrill of the hunt. Either they have someone they're trying to be like, or someone they're trying to impress, or deer hunting is their "flavor of the week." If you ONLY hunt one Saturday a month, have NEVER scouted, have to pay $5,000 a year to be in a hunting club, buy a $10,000 four wheeler and a $2,000 rifle that you paid someone else to sight in for you that you haul in your $50,000 truck and wear $1,000 dollars worth of scent killing clothes but still have to stop and gas up your truck and eat at Waffle House (or "cigarette central" as I call it) on your way to go hunting, then ride the 4 wheeler UP TO your 8'x8' shooting house (with propane heater) that's 5 feet off a dirt road, where you have $2500 worth of seed in a food plot and you WON'T shoot does, coyotes, or any buck under Boone and Crockett standards, and when you shoot a deer you have the head mounted and THROW THE MEAT AWAY, or you just pay someone to drive you to a stand, show you where the deer will be coming from and at what time they will be close enough for a shot, you better darn well have a good excuse when you don't see any deer, and coondogs are the best one going.

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you may as well talk to a fence post as try and reason with a deer hunter.

if the anti's try and outlaw hound hunting they will get a lot of support from the deer hunting groups.

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Was hunting in a competition hunt the other night and after we scored the tree, we had to start walking to score another tree, we walked up on a huge buck laying down, he was about 40 yards from the frist tree, I guess when we saw him we were about 15 to 20 yards away from him, we stood there for a minute with our lights shinning on him, he never moved.....the coon dogs had been all around him and he never left...so I think they are not spooked as much as those high fancy lawyers think they are...

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I have to agree, most deer hunters just can't be convinced that running coondogs won't interfere with their deer hunting. Of course, my argument is that we run our DEER dogs on our hunting club every weekend, and I've still hunted the same blocks we drove dogs through only a few hours earlier and still seen deer. It's happened on multiple occasions, and probably every member of my club will agree. Like you said though, everybody is looking for an excuse...

Just go outside unzip your pants and pee in the wind. You will be just as successful. Here in Western PA deer are king. Generally if I want to hunt while the season is in I just save public land for that time of year. After the season you are back to having free reign of all your usual spots.

To me it is just not worth fighting about something that lasts two weeks a year.

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the only thing about it is that if you hunt, ride 4 wheelers or whatever in an area really hard the deer arent going to stay there. i dont believe its the coonhunting- i think its the heavy traffic espically when its at all hours in an area. i know of several places that have close to ZERO deer traffic due to the land owners allowing some of their buddies to 4wheeler ride all day every day and let people coyote hunt at nite- so the deer have no break. you can tell when an area is hunted hard in the deer. you can also tell in areas such as on our WMAs where you cannot shoot doe- a doe may skip and hop across the road and look right at you 10ft from the truck and dont seem to be in much distress... theyre not worried about you shooting them dispite the truck, you (the mighty hunter), cb noise, dogs in the block behind them, ect...

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I can tell you this, my main coon hunting place is where I deer hunt at, ride 4 wheelers at, squirrel hunt at, walk puppies thru the woods during the day time, have a dog pen that I will keep a young hound in less than 100 yards away from my deer stand, etc. We are constantly going thru those woods, and never has it ever been a problem to see deer while riding 4 wheelers, while coon hunting, while sitting in the deer stand or whatever.
Fact is deer do not range nor "move out" from hounds, hunters, or whatever very far during their lifetime. There have been numerous college studies and research done on this. The most recent and most extensive one was done by Clemson just a few years ago. It was actually published in one of the NRA books mailed out. I have that somewhere, and I need to look for it. It was very interesting. The students actually went out coon hunting many nights during their research. South Carolina has also performed research on this as well as Texas A&M.

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Josh I haven't heard about that study...wish I'd been able to go coon hunting while I was going to school at Clemson!

I coon hunted in college as part of my research into the Balisascaris Procyonis occurrence in the population.

Regarding hunting, here in Indiana Late archery season leaves us only a few days of hunting in the dead of winter. Leasing has locked up most of the area. the rest is usually flooded.

elvis

you are 100 percent rite.....coon hunting dont hurt the deer hunting but at some point it will on the BIG MONSTERS but not all of them big ones.i ust to guide hunters and the coon hunters help the deer hunting except the boon and crocket kind.deer do not pay atiction to dogs long as the dog dont run it out of the country.i watched a buck eat 100 feet this evening from 7 pups out of the kinnel and dogs in the kinnel.ACORNS WILL HOLD THE DEER

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I coon hunt my deer bait, two main reasons A more bait left for deer, B if the deer don't come in at night because of the hounds theres a better chance in my opinion you may see the deer in the daytime. on the other hand I walked into my deer bait scared off a 6 point buck I was discouraged but got on the stand anyway, ten minutes later I shot at the same buck standing on my bait I missed, now I'm real discouraged so I got out of my stand and started walking out of the woods low and behold the same buck who I scared twice was walking up my path to the stand behind a doe I was told on by the doe and they split. three strikes I was out, went home shot my bow and got it sighted in again. I went out the next morning and jumped the buck again about 100 yards before my stand. as I got in my stand and sat down I heard tires squealing and a lound bang. I got down and ran about 500 yards thinking car crash well no one was hurt but that 6 pointer smashed the front end of a ford ranger, the guy then told me he was crossing the road headed towards me. This is how I came up with reason B, deer are unpredictable, biggest deer I ever shot 12:07 pm with a good old balogne sandwich in my hand. no matter how much you scout or hunt you always have to figure luck into your hunt. just be careful if someones upset that your hunting where they hunt watch out for sabotage, traps, poisen, barbwire, etc... people do sick things when there angry I lost a hound because a neighbor seen the hound chasing rabbits in the woods behind his house, which was public land I just wish there was evidence that he through the ball of hamburger mixed with rat poisen instead of an arrogent smile the next time I seen him. good luck and be safe.

I own 1000 acres in illinois and I do both. I coon hunt the same ground that i deer hunt and Iv killed a pope and young with a bow for the last 5 years. I think it helps more than hurts. The deer watch you go by them and you leave a scent trail. After a while they r used to your scent so when you walk to your stand and leave a scent trail the deer dont think anything about it.

I agree

Deer will get use to 4-wheelers in the area....My dogs are kept about 75 to 100 yards where my tower stand over looks a field, deer know the dogs are in pen and will not harm them, I see deer all the time...so i think deer get used to whatever..

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Originally posted by Josh Howard
I can tell you this, my main coon hunting place is where I deer hunt at, ride 4 wheelers at, squirrel hunt at, walk puppies thru the woods during the day time, have a dog pen that I will keep a young hound in less than 100 yards away from my deer stand, etc. We are constantly going thru those woods, and never has it ever been a problem to see deer while riding 4 wheelers, while coon hunting, while sitting in the deer stand or whatever.
Fact is deer do not range nor "move out" from hounds, hunters, or whatever very far during their lifetime. There have been numerous college studies and research done on this. The most recent and most extensive one was done by Clemson just a few years ago. It was actually published in one of the NRA books mailed out. I have that somewhere, and I need to look for it. It was very interesting. The students actually went out coon hunting many nights during their research. South Carolina has also performed research on this as well as Texas A&M.

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when one of my mebers in my hunt club tell me there going to coon hunt on fri. night you cam bet i'll be on that tract of land sat morning i seem to see more deer and bigger deer the next day but some member wont go the next day on that land oh well there loss also i might i have a lot of places to chose from but chose where the coon hunters hunted the night before

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