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Posted by Rob Ellett on 02-02-2008 03:06 PM:

Old timer question- About dog feed

What were dogs feed before commercial dog feed?

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Posted by on 02-02-2008 03:14 PM:

cornbread


Posted by Kennyog on 02-02-2008 03:42 PM:

Dog food.

Table scraps & Road kill. I new and elderly man that would feed his dogs what was left of deer he would kill every deer season and pick them up off of the road.


Posted by mjflores on 02-02-2008 03:59 PM:

I know a guy that rarely bought any type of dog food. He was a hard hunter and trapper. His dogs always were fed coon, beaver, and muskrat. He'd skin out his catches, chunk up the carcasses, and freeze portions for summer feed. During the winter they hung and were fed to the dogs bones and all. I seem to remember him saying he'd pick up "suet" from a meat cutter to give his dogs so they got enough fat in their diet..I suppose wild game alone wouldn't have enough on it's own. I've watched his old slides many times...he hunted bobcat and coon in NH (back when there was a cat season) and Maine. His dogs were nice and healthy...and you should see the size of the bobcats he'd get back then...HUGE! There was a bounty then on cats, all they wanted to see was the tail to prove you killed one. Anyway, getting back to it. His dogs all ate meat and table scraps, so that I guess was the "old way" of keeping and feeding hounds before comercial feed became available.


Posted by huntingnick on 02-02-2008 04:12 PM:

back in the old days (according to my grandpa) his hounds ate whatever they treed or he trapped. Of course he had meat hounds and would tree whatever they came across. I don,t think many people had straight coon dogs back then.

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Posted by josh on 02-02-2008 04:19 PM:

Why dont dogs have that white powdery poop anymore?


Posted by mjflores on 02-02-2008 05:57 PM:

LOL, thats a good question! When I was a kid after a day in the sun dog crap turned white...whats with that?


Posted by hardwoodrunner on 02-02-2008 07:17 PM:

I grew up feeding table scraps , dog bread when hunting hard in the winter, coon meat from those we killed with the dogs. My grandpa said a dog that treed got fed and those that didn't, got only table scraps. I still feed dog bread in the winter 2-3 times a week on those I am hunting hard.


Posted by redneck_girl on 02-02-2008 07:21 PM:

Dog bread?

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Posted by EerieEyes on 02-02-2008 07:57 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by josh
Why dont dogs have that white powdery poop anymore?


Because that white powdery stuff was basically powdered BONE - it's the very very last of what the dogs didn't digest when they were fed raw meat, roadkill, tablescraps, etc.

My dogs still DO have that white powdery poop - this is why I feed and recommend a species-appropriate RAW diet, not crap-in-a-bag They're a lot easier to clean up after....


Posted by Rob Ellett on 02-02-2008 11:04 PM:

Raw meat diet

Anyone else have their dogs on such a diet?

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Posted by J_Williams on 02-03-2008 12:44 AM:

Jerry clower spoke some about this subject. In one show he talked about going to mill and gettin corn milled for dog bread and corn bread. I wonder how this was made. Was it baked , mixed with meat trimmins.

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Posted by H. L. Meyer on 02-03-2008 12:45 AM:

Long time ago

I am 65+ My dad had as many as 60+ hounds at any given time, He would make a trip to (want mention wnich one) one of the two major bakeries in the ares and pick up barrels of their old "stale" bread ,cookies and cakes we would feed them hounds that all summer, then swop them over bout a month before we started hunting hard. Yesser them Trigs, Walkers, Julies, and black dogs and one other line of dogs that escapes me now would run a hell of a lot harder then than these things we hunt now. Hat a pair of them squeeley mouth trigs run theit pads bluddy plenty of times. See you down the road H L Meyer

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Posted by Laurie Soutar on 02-03-2008 01:20 AM:

Re: Raw meat diet

quote:
Originally posted by Rob Ellett
Anyone else have their dogs on such a diet?

Yup! Been feeding raw for about 25 years - although I have Greyhounds, not coonhounds - they are the top of their game, very hard working, and very competitive.....I just don't think hard working performance dogs get what they need from kibble....not to mention that a good raw diet costs about half the price of dog food.....
Laurie


Posted by Debbie Dorrance on 02-03-2008 01:41 AM:

Cooked Game

My father had hounds from the early 20's til his death in 80. The pix that I have are of mostly redbones with white necks, and
saddleback Reds. He said bk then they were never scolded for treeing anything that climbed. His friend owned a pack of foxhounds 40 to 60 of them at all times. They used to go to restaurants, butcher shops & bakeries to get all of their leftovers.
The meat was cooked outside in very large pots. Coon, possum, and deer carcasses. Then they added scraps from the butcher shps. After that the rest. scraps were all added & bakery products. He always said the hounds looked much better &
hunted better back then. I guess that was a lot of cooking evry day.lol.

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Posted by Dennis Free on 02-03-2008 01:54 AM:

Food

I remember going to grandpas house and they didnt have indoor plumbin but he had a outhouse and the dogs well yall figure out the rest.


Posted by Gunpowder on 02-03-2008 05:49 AM:

In the 80's I used a feed recipe for a while. Ground corn, oats, soybean meal, etc.

Probably as good as sunshine

We unusually used Kent Dog food althogh for awhile I used a bag that had 1/2-3/4 in long extruded pellets. I think it was a bag with a ribbon on it.


Posted by Clauzilla on 02-03-2008 06:58 AM:

My dogs eat Raw and also Innov products. We just changed all the working dog on our account over to Innova. Its a great food.
My guys eat the EVO Red Meat which is a grain free food made with meat and potato. They eat very little as its very dense. A 100 pound dog eat 2 cups. My crazy working Malinois eats 3 cups but that is because she is VERY hyper and always on edge.

As for raw meat, my Redbone can take a chicken leg quarter take 3 chews into it and swallow it down. Its amazing the jaw power on these dogs, makes you happy they are nice dogs when you see how easy it is for them to crush bones.

Stools on the EVO are tiny and turn to hard crumbles by morning , same with the raw.

Its well worth the difference in coat quality and condition of body and like I see in the Malinois the ability to never get tired.


Posted by Rob Ellett on 02-03-2008 02:04 PM:

Home butchering

Anyone do any home butchering and feed dogs the scraps and unuseables?

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Posted by hardwoodrunner on 02-03-2008 02:28 PM:

reneck_girl
Dog bread around here is real gressey cornbread cooked in iron skillet. Feed it 2-3 times a week will keep the dogs cleaned out on the inside and their hair coat will be slick and shinny. If you have a dog that is por and ribs sticking out feed it dog bread and table scraps it will turn around quick. My wife will take soup ad meat scraps , mix dog food with it a couple of times a month. When we kill a hog all the dogs get bones to chew on. I run my dogs hard ask a lot of them but feed them good as well. This works for me been doing this for 49 yrs of owning hounds, learned this form my grandpa who hunted hounds for over 65 yrs, he had hide and meat dogs. This was long before dog food in a bag


Posted by Rob Ellett on 02-03-2008 02:59 PM:

dogbread

Would this be made say from adding cracklins to the cornbread?

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Posted by John Wittenborn on 02-03-2008 03:09 PM:

I was raised on a large Dairy farm,

for that time. Our dogs got whole fresh milk at least once a day. The milk would be mixed with different things that we had on the place to feed other animals, like cottonseed meal, bone meal, fish meal, rolled oats, bran, etc. We also buthered hogs twice a year (fall & early spring) they got all of the scraps from the butchering, plus we rendered lard & they also got the cracklings. About twice a year dad would go to the river & buy Carp & Buffalo fish, & these would be cooked down in a big kettle. This had to be cooked to where the bones would dissolve, & to this he would add cottonseed meal, rolled oats, a few cracklings & a little salt. He wouldn't take this mixture out of the kettle, it was just covered up, & when he fed the dogs some of that, he would just cut a hunk off & each dog got a hunk. You could also get beef bones & scraps (fat & tallo) from the local butchering/locker plant.They also got table scraps, & I can not ever remember a skinny dog on our place, & we had lots of dogs, Coon, fox, & field trial dogs.

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Posted by mjflores on 02-03-2008 03:24 PM:

Rob, I do that. When I butcher a deer I have the indoor dogs standing there watching me. I through them raw chunks and they love it. I give them enough that they dont get kibble that day. To be honest, on a deer I hang it up weather permitting, cut out the tenderloins and thats dinner. After it's hung I skin it down, chunk up the neck meat...this goes to the indoor dogs and the outdoor dogs. I make a plate for each. Then I remove the backstraps from the base of the neck all the way to the rear hips...these are mine! lol I cut these in 4 inch thick sections, butterfly them, and they get wrapped. I remove both front shoulders...most gets chunked up for stew meat, probably half gets saved for the dogs and frozen in portions. Next I take the rear quarters off, rinse and freeze them to do later. I use a saws all to section the front legs with the meat still on them, and I cut the ribs down with the meat still on them...this gets bagged and goes in the freezer for the dogs. When I'm ready to do the rear quarters, I do them up in the kitchen...both house dogs get thrown chunks while I'm debonning them. I make a plate to take to the outdoor dogs too. As I write this I realize the dogs probably eat as much of my deer and I do! haha. When I give them the deer meat I substitute it for their dry food...and they eat the meat raw. I've heard it helps their digestive enzymes. My dogs have always been healthy and they sure love their raw meat.


Posted by hardwoodrunner on 02-03-2008 03:29 PM:

Rob
It is the same just add the cracklins
I home butcher on a hog use every thang but the squeel. Cut up, grind, all my deer I kill, freezer has squirrel, deer, hog,beef and my wifes vegtables out of the garden.


Posted by Rob Ellett on 02-03-2008 04:30 PM:

Thanks for the reply's

I was thinking of raising some pigs for butchering this year, I have some rough grown up pasture, more like woodlot now and would like to have some opinions on what breed would do best on this.
This also led me to thinking about old time feed, thanks keep'em coming.

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