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Posted by tadh on 12-05-2007 11:40 PM:

dont no how to breed

i have a 5 year old dog he has never breed a dog now we tried him he dont no how what can be done he get up their try then get down i never seen this in a dog

Posted by mudman on 12-05-2007 11:44 PM:

soem times you have to help them

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Posted by gcampbell on 12-05-2007 11:56 PM:

you better pet it first it might bite

Posted by josh tetting on 12-06-2007 12:01 AM:

i have a male

that was five the first time he was bred it took him a couple days but he figured it out

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Posted by Whistle Pig on 12-06-2007 12:37 AM:

Don't want no pup's

A dog that's so stupid, It don't know how to breed? I don't want any pup's from him any way.

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Posted by Doug Bowers on 12-06-2007 01:34 AM:

dog don't know how

I HAVE HEARD IT ALL NOW. BOY SOME PEOPLE CAN COME UP WITH SOME JUNK TO TALK ABOUT,BUT THIS IS NOT THE ONLY ONE ON THIS BOARD,THEY ARE ALL ON HERE EVERY WHERE,I USELY DONT EVEN LOOK AT THIS ,BUT I JUST HAD TO CHECK THIS ONE OUT.THIS IS A GOOD ONE.

Posted by ysudep2 on 12-06-2007 03:16 AM:

Re: dog don't know how

quote:
Originally posted by dbower2
I HAVE HEARD IT ALL NOW. BOY SOME PEOPLE CAN COME UP WITH SOME JUNK TO TALK ABOUT,BUT THIS IS NOT THE ONLY ONE ON THIS BOARD,THEY ARE ALL ON HERE EVERY WHERE,I USELY DONT EVEN LOOK AT THIS ,BUT I JUST HAD TO CHECK THIS ONE OUT.THIS IS A GOOD ONE.

CHILL OUT TUFF GUY, no need to be an a$$

Posted by kybluetickman on 12-06-2007 03:16 AM:

BREEDING

quote:
Originally posted by mudman
soem times you have to help them

I AGREE WITH YOU,SOME NEED HELP,IVE SEEN MORE THAN ONE THAT NEEDED HELP.

Posted by Travis P on 12-06-2007 03:29 AM:

heck i know of some big stud dogs that need help some times. The best thing to do is help or put them in a pen together and theyll get the job done.

Posted by jculler8 on 12-06-2007 05:23 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Travis P
heck i know of some big stud dogs that need help some times. The best thing to do is help or put them in a pen together and theyll get the job done.

Yup, put them in a pen ALONE (without anyone around watching) and watch from a window or somewhere where you aren't bothering them. They will get the job done.

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Posted by SCBluetickGirl on 12-06-2007 05:28 PM:

Re: dog don't know how

quote:
Originally posted by dbower2
I HAVE HEARD IT ALL NOW. BOY SOME PEOPLE CAN COME UP WITH SOME JUNK TO TALK ABOUT,BUT THIS IS NOT THE ONLY ONE ON THIS BOARD,THEY ARE ALL ON HERE EVERY WHERE,I USELY DONT EVEN LOOK AT THIS ,BUT I JUST HAD TO CHECK THIS ONE OUT.THIS IS A GOOD ONE.

He asked a genuine question. You don't know until you ask.

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Posted by cnhntr@wrk on 12-06-2007 05:44 PM:

Dont know how?

Question: Do you have to teach a duck to swim? Do you have to teach a chicken to scratch? Its nature give him some time he like everthing else in nature will work it out on his own. I have seen some males that were hight challenged and could not reach a female but trust me they know how.

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Posted by Philip on 12-06-2007 06:07 PM:

it helps if the female is ready to breed also.

Posted by coon's age on 12-06-2007 06:36 PM:

YEP

YOU GOT THAT RIGHT.

Posted by tadh on 12-06-2007 11:00 PM:

is there something to give them to give them more drivebreeding

Posted by J.R. Heiny on 12-07-2007 03:16 AM:

breeding

I have one question is the female in her 11th-13th day of heat? if she isn't then he'll try but won't get the job done , on the other hand if she is in her 11th - 13th day and is smelling pretty ripe than tie her off on a couple of cross ties and give him a helping hand like these other guys have suggested he may just need a little giudenst.

J.R.

Posted by kybluetickman on 12-07-2007 05:28 AM:

MORE DRIVE

quote:
Originally posted by tadh
is there something to give them to give them more drivebreeding

YOU COULD TRY HORNY GOAT WEED,LOL.

Posted by Huntaholic on 12-07-2007 01:46 PM:

Maybe he's just intimidated by a female that knows what she wants and isnt afraid to go after it!? I'd give my left testicle for a female like that!
That comment was made in jest, but it has some serious merrit to it as well. I tried to breed a female I have to a male I drove 8 HOURS to get her to and he wouldnt have anything to do with her and she chased him all over the pen for days! I ended up having her artificially inseminated and even that didnt work. On this last heat, I just bred her to my male dog, (hes a better hound than the one 8 hrs away anyway) dont know if she stuck this time or not but I do know if she didnt it aint his fault!

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Posted by george florence on 12-07-2007 04:26 PM:

try this

Get him some booze, and a dirty movie. Just look at what it does for people.

Posted by Christy on 12-07-2007 04:48 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by tadh
is there something to give them to give them more drivebreeding

YOU GUYS RUNNING POOR TAD DOWN ARE KILLING ME!

SOMETIMES IT'S NOT THE MALES FAULT.

IF HE'S TRYING TO BREED AND THE FEMALE IS NOT QUITE RIGHT, IT DOSENT MATTER WHAT THE POOR DOG DOES HE'S NOT GOING TO HANG HER!!!

SOMETIMES THEY NEED A LITTLE "GUIDANCE" ESPECIALLY IF THE FEMALE IS SMALLER OR BIGGER OR LONG LEGGED OR SOMETHING.

IT MAY NOT BE THAT HE DOSENT KNOW HOW OR DOSENT HAVE THE "DRIVE" TO DO IT, IT'S JUST MAYBE THEY ARE PHYSICAL PROBLEMS PREVENTING THEM TO LOCK RIGHT NOW. SHE MAY NOT QUITE BE READY YET, SHE MAY BE GOING OUT.

WE'VE HAD TO "HELP" EVERY STUD WE'VE OWNED AT LEAST ONCE. FIRST 3 FEMALES SID BRED, HE WAS CRAZY, THEN HE FIGURED IT OUT AND NOW HE'S A VERY SMOOTH STUD DOG.

IT'S JUST LIKE WITH MEN, SOMETIMES THEY DONT ALWAYS GET IT RIGHT ON THE FIRST TRY, BUT WITH A LITTLE PRACTICE AMAZING THINGS CAN HAPPEN!!!

SO, THOSE THAT ARE DOWNING THE POOR DOG FOR AT LEAST TRYING, MAYBE YA'LL SHOULD THINK ABOUT THAT.

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Posted by GRNT Coondawg on 12-07-2007 06:36 PM:

I have been in the dog business for over 20 yrs coonhuntin for 15...we have over 250 dogs at our kennel such as yorkies, maltese, labs, etc not all coonhounds, so I have seen it all....seen many males that worth a lick in the stud pen and just couldnt get the job done...seen a lot of females the same way even if they were in their 11th-13th day in their cycle they still woulding allow the male to mount her naturally...well when you have a business as large as this dogs that dont breed such as Yorkies and Maltese that sell for over $600 a pup are definately going to get all the help i can give to get the job done...Here is what I do at times with larger dogs (coon hounds) that don't cooperate.....

First I have this wood platform that is much like a sawhorse that has sturdy legs...I place the female on top of that and the platform acts as support for the female under belly and chest....This keeps the female from trying to sit down when the male is mounting her...You must make sure you tie the female down to it as well to keep her from moving as much as you can....Then with the male that seems interested but just jumps on for a few seconds then jumps off or can't find the "hole" here is when I do...Once the female is done tied up to the platform I let the male try to mount her naturally but when it doesnt work I have to do some dirty work...First I put some Vasaline on the female...then once the male is excited and trys to mount the female again I help hold him on the female and give his man hood a guidence and once "we" get to the "hole" the vasaline makes it so easy that you can push on the male dogs rear and he will go inside the female with ease and then they get locked....

Sorry so wordy but it is a lot easier to understand if you can see it first hand...If you need them females bred by this male you may want to take some tips from me and give it a try yourself and see how it works out....Notice these are rare occasions that I "help" the dogs.

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Posted by Christy on 12-07-2007 07:35 PM:

COONDAWG, WE DO THE SAME THING!

SOMETIMES DOGS NEED A LITTLE HELP, SOMETIMES THEY DONT.

ITS JUST A SIMPLE FACT OF BREEDING DOGS, AND NOTHING TO BE EMBARASSED OR ASHAMED ABOUT DOING.

Posted by Janet Ford on 12-07-2007 08:53 PM:

So many things come to mind...

... has he ever gotten beat up by a female for attempting to breed? Sometimes, especially if they are young and you pair them with an overly assertive/aggressive female, it will scar them mentally.

... Are they of equal body size? One being much taller than the other will cause issues without help.

... If he's just a ditzy virgin you may need to physically guide the penis into the vagina for him when he tries thrusting. (make sure dog is muzzled first, even sweet ones can bite when you attempt this while other's don't mind at all)

... The female may not be ready. Is she still bleeding? Days can be good guesses but you can get more accuracy by swabbing the females vulva. When this turns from red to straw colored, she is ready. She needs to be in standing heat for him to have enough desire. Is she 'flagging' (teasing, backing up, lifting tail, etc)

... Leaving them alone can sometimes help, especially with a male who isn't yet experienced enough to have confidence.

... If the female is arguing with him over the issue, yet is in standing heat, you may need to hold her for him and maybe even go so far as to muzzle her. If she's trying to get away, only the most confident and 'hormonally possessed' males will still grab hold for dear life and get a tie.

... Some males are very quick. Is he entering her? Did he ejaculate? My sister has a 3 second cavalier but he still produces large litters.

... Don't feed him just prior to breeding time. This can make him sluggish. Feed him about an hour after they breed for the day.

... If they are not squabbling, allow them to run around, play, get to know each other, let him court the girl. Some like a little romance time before the big event.

... And if all else fails, I find that bringing out another male who is super eager to get the job done (both males on leashes, get a helper!) or even just parading the pair in front of the other males enclosure will spice things up enough to get him kicked into gear. Like throwing a not-so-tasty food item down. If the dog is alone, they leave it. If there is several, they are gonna usually bicker over who gets rights to it.

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Posted by Christy on 12-07-2007 08:56 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Janet Ford
... And if all else fails, I find that bringing out another male who is super eager to get the job done (both males on leashes, get a helper!) or even just parading the pair in front of the other males enclosure will spice things up enough to get him kicked into gear. Like throwing a not-so-tasty food item down. If the dog is alone, they leave it. If there is several, they are gonna usually bicker over who gets rights to it.

WE DID THIS WITH SID ONE TIME, ONCE HE THOUGHT THAT OTHER DOG WAS GOING TO GET A "PIECE OF THE ACTION" AND HIM NOT, HE GOT THE JOB DONE IN A RIGHT QUICK HURRY! LOL.

HAVENT HAD ANY PROBLEMS SINCE! LOL.

Posted by j.ooten on 12-07-2007 09:38 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Janet Ford
Sometimes, especially if they are young and you pair them with an overly assertive/aggressive female, it will scar them mentally.

i know of one that was scar'd physically...lol...almost lost an eye....after a muzzle and a little forced help from the female...he got her bred.

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